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HELLO CAPSLOCK-JAK! I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT METAL HEADS LATELY AND I HAVE A THEORY ABOUT THEM. I THINK CANON SUPPORTS THE CONCLUSION THAT METAL HEADS ARE EUSOCIAL-- THAT IS, THEY HAVE THE SOCIAL STRUCTURE OF A BEEHIVE OR AN ANTHILL.

LET'S DIGRESS FOR A MOMENT AND EXPLORE EUSOCIALITY IN GENERAL. EUSOCIAL SPECIES HAVE BIOLOGICAL CASTE SYSTEMS, LIKE WITH SOLDIER AND WORKER AND DRONE AND QUEEN ANTS. THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THE SAME SPECIES AND THEY ALL LIVE AND WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL DOING A JOB IT WAS LITERALLY BORN FOR. ONLY SOME TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS ARE FERTILE-- AS WE SEE WITH QUEEN ANTS.

AT THIS POINT, IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING SO FAR, YOU'RE LIKELY THINKING "AH, YES, AND KOR IS EQUIVALENT TO A QUEEN ANT, SINCE HE LAYS EGGS." THIS IS PROBABLY TRUE! AND NOTICE ALSO THAT THE EGGS HE LAYS IN THE BOSS FIGHT:
-LOOK VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES AT THE DRILL PLATFORM
-HATCH MUCH FASTER
-ALL HATCH INTO STINGERS, THE WEAKEST AND SMALLEST METAL HEADS
-THEY'RE ABLE TO FIGHT IMMEDIATELY.

TIME FOR ANOTHER DIGRESSION: METAL HEAD STINGERS ARE SOMETHING CALLED "PRECOCIAL" (AS OPPOSED TO "ALTRICIAL"). I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS CONCEPT BY LISTING A BUNCH OF ANIMALS IN ORDER FROM MOST PRECOCIAL TO MOST ALTRICIAL AND EXPLAINING WHY THEY GO WHERE THEY DO:
-METAL HEAD STINGERS LOOK AND ACT FULLY ADULT AT HATCHING
-THE BABY FLUT-FLUT IMPRINTS ON DAXTER SO IT PROBABLY EXPECTS/NEEDS SOME CARE AND IT ISN'T CAPABLE OF SUSTAINED FLIGHT YET, BUT IT CAN WALK AND FLY IMMEDIATELY
-A NEWBORN HUMAN CAN'T WALK BUT CAN USUALLY SEE AND HEAR
-A NEWBORN KANGAROO LOOKS A LITTLE LIKE A HUMAN FETUS AFTER TWO OR THREE MONTHS OF DEVELOPMENT

SO WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? GENERALLY, THERE'S A TRADEOFF BETWEEN PARENTAL INVESTMENT BEFORE BIRTH AND PARENTAL INVESTMENT AFTER BIRTH. A BIRD THAT HATCHES DOWNY, BLIND AND AWKWARD IS A BIRD THAT HATCHED FAST FROM A SMALL EGG; A BIRD THAT HATCHES FEATHERED AND READY TO GO PROBABLY SPENT A LONG TIME IN A BIG EGG.

"WAIT," YOU SAY (OR AT LEAST I HOPE YOU DO), "HUMAN PREGNANCIES ARE 82% AS LONG AS HORSE PREGNANCIES, BUT HORSES CAN WALK THE DAY THEY'RE BORN AND HUMANS ARE NOWHERE NEAR THAT PRECOCIAL!"

AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS BECAUSE HUMAN BRAINS TAKE A LOT OF ENERGY TO MAKE (/HALFASSED EXPLANATION OF HALF-REMEMBERED SCIENCE) SO HUMAN BABIES TAKE MORE PARENTAL INVESTMENT IN TOTAL. NOW, METAL HEAD STINGERS HATCH FAST, AND ARE PRECOCIAL. SO LESS INVESTMENT OVERALL GOES INTO THEM THAN GOES INTO WHATEVER HATCHES FROM THE EGGS AT THE DRILL PLATFORM. IN BEES, THE THING THAT MAKES A QUEEN A QUEEN IS BEING FED MORE ROYAL JELLY AS A LARVA. SO COULD IT BE THAT DIFFERENT TYPES OF METAL HEADS NEED DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF CARE AND FEEDING AND ALL THAT?

ALSO: KOR NEVER RUNS OUT OF STINGERS TO LAY. EITHER HE STORES SPERM, SO HE CAN FERTILISE HIMSELF, SO HE CAN LAY AS MANY EGGS AS HE WANTS WHENEVER HE WANTS (LIKE A LIVEBEARING CARP, E.G. A GUPPY)... OR ELSE STINGERS ARE HAPLOID, MEANING THEY HAVE NO DAD, ONLY A MOM.

IN REAL HIVE INSECTS, A THING CALLED HAPLODIPLOIDY CAN HAPPEN. ANOTHER DIGRESSION: PLOIDY! WHAT IS PLOIDY? HUMANS HAVE TWO PARENTS EACH, AND EACH PARENT GIVES ONE SET OF GENES. SO WE HAVE TWO. WE'RE DIPLOID, MEANING EACH CHROMOSOME (EACH CHUNK OF GENES) COMES IN A PAIR (GENERALLY, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF DISJUNCTION DISORDERS). SOME PLANTS, LIKE STRAWBERRIES, CAN HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF COPIES OF EACH GENE, INSTEAD OF ONLY A PAIR; THAT IS POLYPLOIDY. IF YOU HAVE ONLY ONE, AND NOT EVEN A PAIR, THEN THAT IS HAPLOIDY. IN SOME HIVE INSECTS, MALES ARE HAPLOID (ONE COPY OF EACH GENE) AND FEMALES ARE DIPLOID (TWO COPIES OF EACH GENE). /ASSEDNESS LEVEL OF THIS EXPLANATION: APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS.

SO YEAH. HAPLODIPLOID EUSOCIAL METAL HEADS! THOUGHTS?
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[User Picture]From: twentribal
2015-09-25 03:42 am (UTC)
I DON'T REALLY HAVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE SUBJECT ITSELF, BUT JUST WANT TO SAY I LOVE TO READ YOUR THEORIES, AND I SUSPECT YOU'RE GIVING THESE THINGS MORE THOUGHT THAN ND EVER DID. :D

(EDIT: DOH, I HAD ALREADY MADE A SIMILAR STATEMENT BEFORE... ALAS.)

Edited at 2015-09-25 03:48 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2015-09-25 04:40 am (UTC)
I NEVER TIRE OF PRAISE. THANK YOU. :D
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[User Picture]From: keywielder
2015-10-14 12:20 am (UTC)
I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR DEDUCTIONS! THINKING ABOUT THIS HAS BROUGHT BACK THOUGHTS I'VE HAD IN THE PAST ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF METAL HEADS ON JAK'S PLANET. THE PRECURSOR STATUE IN MAR'S TOMB MENTIONED THAT METAL HEADS WERE AN ALIEN SPECIES. WHEN JAK AND THE CREW ACTIVATE THE LAST RIFT GATE AT THE BEGINNING OF JAK 2 METAL-KOR AND A BUNCH OF METAL JACKETS ENTER THE WORLD. METAL-KOR SAYS 'YOU CANNOT HIDE FROM ME, BOY!' WHEN HE PASSES THROUGH THE GATE, MEANING THAT HE IS ALREADY AWARE OF WHO JAK IS WHICH HE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN IF HE HADN'T ALREADY MET HIM. RIFT GATES ALLOW PEOPLE TO TRAVEL THROUGH TIME, NOT SPACE, SO METAL-KOR MUST HAVE COME THROUGH FROM THE FUTURE AND IN DOING SO SEEDED THE PAST WITH METAL HEADS. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT KNOWN IF METAL KOR STAYS IN THE PAST OR NOT. THE GAME NEVER OUTRIGHT SAYS IT. BUT I THINK IT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE IF HE DID. HERE'S WHY: WHEN JAK REACHES THE METALHEAD NEST IN THE FUTURE AND METAL-KOR REVEALS THAT JAK AND THE KID ARE THE SAME PERSON, HE SAYS THAT THE KID HAD BEEN HIDDEN IN THE PAST IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIM SO THAT WHEN HE WAS OLDER HE WOULD BE STRONG ENOUGH TO FACE KOR AND WIN. BUT THE KID HADN'T BEEN SENT BACK YET, MEANING THAT KOR MUST HAVE ALREADY LIVED THROUGH A REALITY WHERE THAT HAD BEEN THE CASE. IF THAT IS TRUE THAN IT MEANS THAT A PARALLEL FUTURE EXISTS IN THE JAK CANON WHERE YOUNG JAK WAS SENT BACK IN TIME PRIOR TO THE EVENTS IN THE SECOND GAME AND WHERE THINGS MUST HAVE PLAYED OUT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENTLY! IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A REALITY WHERE THE METAL HEADS ARRIVED ON THE PLANET FROM SPACE, NOT THROUGH THE RIFT GATE. KOR WOULD HAVE VANISHED FROM THAT REALITY AFTER HE TRAVELED THROUGH THE RIFT INTO THE PAST, LEAVING THAT REALITY'S METALHEADS WITHOUT A LEADER (IF ALL OF THEM DIDN'T FOLLOW HIM INTO THE RIFT THAT IS). AND OLDER JAK WOULD NOT HAVE ACTUALLY EVER MADE IT TO THAT PARTICULAR VERSION OF THE FUTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE, SINCE HE INSTEAD WAS BROUGHT TO THE VERSION OF REALITY WHERE KOR CAME FROM THE FUTURE AND INVADED THE PAST.
THAT ORIGINAL FUTURE, WITH THE ORIGINAL KOR AND THE ORIGINAL KID, WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DUPLICATED BECAUSE FROM THAT TIME ON, EVERY OLDER VERSION OF JAK WOULD HAVE SENT THE KID THROUGH THE RIFT AFTER THE EVENTS OF THE GAME INSTEAD OF BEFORE.
*BRAIN EXPLODES*

Edited at 2015-10-14 12:22 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2015-10-14 06:01 am (UTC)
I FIND YOUR TIME TRAVEL IDEAS INTRIGUING BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE AS AIRTIGHT AS YOU THINK. RIFT GATES CLEARLY DO ALLOW TRAVEL THROUGH SPACE AS WELL AS TIME--NOT ONLY ARE THEY OBVIOUSLY SIMILAR IF NOT QUITE IDENTICAL TO THE ORDINARY TELEPORT GATES, BUT IN FACT JAK AND DAXTER ENTER THE FUTURE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION FROM THE LOCATION WHERE THEY LEFT THE PAST (IF THEY HADN'T TRAVELED THROUGH SPACE, THEY WOULD HAVE ENTERED THE FUTURE IN DEAD TOWN, INSTEAD OF THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE).

IT ALSO MAKES SENSE FOR KOR TO POKE HIS HEAD INTO THE PAST WITHOUT ACTUALLY GOING BACK; HE COULD SIMPLY ALLOW THE VARIOUS OTHER METAL HEADS (PRESUMABLY INCLUDING SOME WHO CAN LAY EGGS, EQUIVALENT TO GAMERGATES, I GUESS?) TO COLONIZE THE PAST WITHOUT HIM.

IT'S DEFINITELY POSSIBLE THAT KOR WENT BACK, AND IS USING THE PAST TENSE TO REFER TO AN ALTERNATE TIMELINE THAT HE EXPERIENCES AS HIS PAST BUT WHICH NEVER HAPPENED FOR ANYONE ELSE. THERE'S A PROBLEM, THOUGH. IF KOR'S PERSONAL TIMELINE IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS:
-METAL HEADS, INCLUDING KOR, INVADE JAK'S PLANET AT DATE X
-JAK IS SENT TO THE PAST AT SOME POINT AFTER DATE X
-KOR TRAVELS TO THE PAST FROM A FUTURE DATE AFTER JAK LEAVES THE FUTURE, AND ARRIVES AT A PAST WITH NO METAL HEADS IN IT, I.E., BEFORE DATE X
-...SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DATE X ROLLS AROUND AGAIN, AND YOUNGER!KOR SHOWS UP? THERE SHOULD BE TWO OF THEM, AS THERE ARE TWO JAKS AND TWO SAMOSES AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME IN JAK II.

ADDITIONALLY, AS OF THE BEGINNING OF THE FINAL BOSS FIGHT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE FOR KOR TO SEE JAK AS HAVING ALREADY BEEN SENT TO THE PAST, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE "PREVIOUS" ITERATION OF THE TIME LOOP WAS AS YOU POSIT OR IDENTICAL TO THE ONE WE SEE IN THE GAME. AFTER ALL, JAK HAS ALREADY ARRIVED IN THE PAST (PRESUMABLY CENTURIES AGO), AND KOR HAS ALREADY POKED HIS HEAD THROUGH THE RIFT AND SEEN JAK IN THE PAST (HE MUST HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY BEFORE THE FIGHT BECAUSE HE HAS NO CHANCE TO DO IT AFTER, WHAT WITH BEING DEAD, AND WE KNOW HE DOES IT AT SOME POINT), AND FOR THAT MATTER JAK HAS TO HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE PAST BECAUSE OH, LOOK, HERE'S JAK, BACK FROM THE PAST AND SIGNIFICANTLY OLDER!

YES, THE DECISION HASN'T BEEN MADE YET, BUT ITS EFFECTS HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TO PLAY OUT AND ARE VERY VISIBLE TO KOR. SO HE CAN VIEW IT AS A FAIT ACCOMPLI AND TALK ABOUT IT IN THE PAST TENSE.

BUT I DO LIKE IDEAS OF UNSTABLE, ITERATING TIME LOOPS THAT REPEATEDLY OVERWRITE "OLD" FUTURES. YOUR IDEA IS INTRIGUING. :)
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[User Picture]From: keywielder
2015-10-15 02:43 am (UTC)
HAHAHA YEAH! THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THINGS COULD HAVE PANNED OUT IN THE JAK TIMELINE WHICH IS WHY IT IS SO MUCH FUN TO THEORIZE ABOUT! THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN IT WAS ALWAYS THE WAY I THOUGHT OF IT WHILE PLAYING THE GAMES AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WHAT THE DEVELOPERS INTENDED. IN TERMS OF THE RIFT GATE I STILL THINK THAT IT IS STRICTLY A TIME PORTAL; THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL STARTING POINT IN THE PAST AND THE ENDING PLACE IN THE FUTURE IS RELATIVELY NEGLIGIBLE WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE TECTONIC ACTIVITY AND THE FACT THAT JAK 2 TAKES PLACE FAR IN THE FUTURE (AT LEAST A FEW HUNDRED YEARS WITH ENOUGH TIME FOR HAVEN TO BE BUILT AND FALL INTO DISREPAIR). TECTONIC ACTIVITY OF SOME KIND COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE LAY OF THE LAND BETWEEN THE TWO GAMES!
I THINK WHAT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT SEPARATE, UNSTABLE TIME LOOPS ORIGINALLY WAS PARTLY BECAUSE OF HOW KOR WAS USING PAST TENSE WHEN SPEAKING OF JAK BEING SENT BACK THROUGH TIME DURING HIS MONOLOGUE BUT ALSO PARTLY BECAUSE OF HOW JAK'S ARRIVAL IN THE FUTURE WENT. WHEN JAK AND DAXTER ARRIVED IN THE FUTURE THE BARON AND EROL WERE ALREADY SOMEHOW AWARE OF WHEN AND WHERE THEY WOULD ARRIVE. THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS FUTURE SIGHT IN HAVEN IS ONIN, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE HER TIPPING OFF THE BARON ABOUT JAK'S ARRIVAL, ESPECIALLY IF SHE KNOWS THE PART HE PLAYS IN THE FUTURE (WHICH SHE DOES), SO THE ONLY OTHER IDEA I COULD COME UP WITH WAS THAT SOMEHOW KOR INFORMED THE BARON ABOUT JAK'S ARRIVAL (POSSIBLY DIRECTLY THROUGH HOLOGRAM AS HE DOES LATER IN JAK 2, BUT IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF HE USED AN INFORMANT WHO COULD ALSO DISGUISE HIMSELF AS HUMAN... POSSIBLY KAEDEN FROM THE GAME 'DAXTER'). HOWEVER, FOR THAT TO HAVE WORKED, KOR WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE PEEKED HIS HEAD INTO THE PAST AND SAW JAK BEFORE JAK ARRIVED IN HAVEN CITY AND THEN TOLD THE BARON --OR-- HE COULD HAVE REMAINED IN THE PAST (WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO TIP THE BARON OFF ABOUT JAK WAAAY BEFORE JAK EVER MADE IT TO THE FUTURE). IF WE GO WITH THE THEORY THAT WHEN KOR PEEKED HIS HEAD INTO THE PAST AND SAW JAK IT WAS PRIOR TO JAK ARRIVING IN THE CITY THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES... HOW DID KOR RECOGNIZE JAK AT THAT TIME OR KNOW THAT HE WAS IN ANY WAY IMPORTANT? IF KOR PEEKED HIS HEAD INTO THE PAST AND SAW A RANDOM BUNCH OF PEOPLE ABOUT TO SET OFF INTO A RIFT GATE (WITHOUT KNOWING PREVIOUSLY THAT THE HEIR OF MAR WAS GOING TO BE SENT INTO THE PAST) WHY WOULD HE HAVE CARED AT ALL? WHY WOULD HE HAVE CALLED OUT TO JAK SPECIFICALLY? NO ONE ELSE IN THE GAME PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER TO REALIZE THAT THE KID AND JAK WERE THE SAME PERSON, NOT EVEN PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE KNOWN HIM AS A CHILD LIKE DAXTER OR KEIRA--- NOT EVEN HIMSELF! HE HAD TO HAVE KNOWN WHO JAK WAS BEFORE HE EVER LOOKED INTO THE PAST AND THERE IS NO WAY HE COULD HAVE KNOWN THAT UNLESS HE HAD ALREADY EXPERIENCED IT ONCE. BUT THAT THEORY IS ALL BASED ON IF KOR WAS THE ONE TO TIP THE BARON OFF. WE COULD MAKE THE POINT THAT THE BARON WAS SOMEHOW TIPPED OFF BY SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT JAK'S ARRIVAL IN HAVEN, BUT EVEN IF WE DO THAT KOR HAS STILL SOMEHOW KNOWN WHO JAK WAS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. KOR WAS WAITING FOR JAK OUTSIDE OF THE PRISON AND MADE AN EFFORT TO TALK TO HIM BECAUSE HE KNEW HE WAS IMPORTANT, WHICH HE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN AT THAT POINT IF HE WASN'T AWARE OF THE KID GOING BACK THROUGH TIME. AND IF YOU TAKE THE GAME 'DAXTER' INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN TALKING ABOUT CONTINUITY, KOR SPEAKS TO HIS LIEUTENANT KAEDEN ABOUT JAK BEING OF INCREDIBLE COSMIC IMPORTANCE WHILE JAK WAS STILL IN PRISON. IT DEFINITELY POINTS TO KOR BEING AWARE OF THE PART JAK IS GOING TO PLAY IN ALL THIS BEFORE HE WOULD HAVE ANY RIGHT TO KNOW IF THE TIME LOOP WAS IN FACT STABLE.
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2015-10-15 06:50 am (UTC)
VERY PERCEPTIVE THINKING! YOUR CONCLUSIONS FOLLOW VERY LOGICALLY FROM THE IDEA THAT ONIN COULDN'T HAVE TIPPED THE BARON OFF, ASSUMING NO ACTORS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. BUT YES, IF YOU TAKE THE PSP SPINOFF AS CANON, AND ASSUME NOTHING ODD LIKE THE PRECURSORS TELLING SEEM TO TELL VEGER TO TELL PRAXIS, OR SOMETHING, AND ASSUME ONIN DIDN'T TELL, THEN YES, YOUR CONCLUSIONS FOLLOW AND YOUR REASONING IS VERY PERCEPTIVE. NICE ANALYSIS.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T TAKE THE PSP DAXTER GAME AS CANON (REMEMBER THAT EVEN THE GAME ITSELF DOESN'T CLAIM ITS OWN CANONICITY; IT'S STRONGLY IMPLIED TO BE A STORY DAXTER IS TELLING, MAYBE "BASED ON A TRUE STORY" IN THE SAME WAY MOVIES LIKE THE PURSUIT OF HAPPYNESS ARE BASED ON TRUE STORIES). AND I ALSO THINK IT'S NOT SAFE TO MAKE EITHER OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS, PARTICULARLY THE ASSUMPTION THAT ONIN WOULD NOT COOPERATE WITH THE BARON.

IT COULD BE AS YOU SUGGEST, BUT I FAVOR THE THEORY THAT ONIN DID TIP OFF THE BARON. WHY? BECAUSE SHE CAN SEE THE FUTURE. SHE CAN SEE THAT THE DEAL WITH THE METAL HEADS IS GOING TO FALL APART EVENTUALLY (WHICH, TO BE FAIR, SHE PROBABLY DIDN'T REALLY NEED MAGIC TO SEE), AND SHE SEES THAT JAK IS EXCEPTIONALLY CAPABLE OF WINNING THAT FIGHT. AND MAYBE SHE CAN ALSO SEE THE PAST. MAYBE SHE CAN ALSO SEE THAT JAK WAS NEEDED IN THE PAST TO STOP GOL AND MAIA. MOREOVER SHE CAN SEE THAT JAK DOES SURVIVE THE DARK WARRIOR PROGRAM AND DOES GAIN IMMENSE POWER FROM IT. ALTHOUGH SHE PROBABLY NEVER SAW ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF JAK 3 (BECAUSE MID-3 SHE "SEES YOUR FATE TURNING BLACK WITH UNCERTAINTY" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT), I THINK SHE SAW ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE END OF JAK II BEFORE THE FIRST TIME JAK MET HER, WHICH DOESN'T PROVE SHE HAD ALREADY SEEN THAT FAR BEFORE JAK ARRIVED IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT DOES SUGGEST THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE. SHE THUS TIPPED OFF PRAXIS AND EROL BECAUSE SHE KNEW THE DARK WARRIOR PROGRAM WOULD BE A SUCCESS AND SHE KNEW JAK WOULD DEFEAT KOR AND TURN THE TIDE IN THE WAR AGAINST THE METAL HEADS. SHE'S RUTHLESS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY EVIL, IN THIS THEORY; SHE ACTS TO SAVE HAVEN CITY AND ALL HUMANITY. I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW WHETHER THIS THEORY IS MINE OR WHETHER I READ IT SOMEWHERE.

BUT IF THIS IS THE CASE, KOR DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW BEFORE JAK ARRIVES, SO IT'S POSSIBLE HE DOESN'T POKE HIS HEAD INTO THE PAST UNTIL AFTER MEETING ADULT!JAK. PRESUMABLY HE HAS ALSO MET THE SHADOW. HE RECOGNIZES A JAK TWO YEARS YOUNGER THAN HE JUST SAW, NOT TEN OR MORE YEARS OLDER, AND HE ALSO RECOGNIZES SAMOS. MAYBE HE DOES THIS RELATIVELY EARLY ON IN THE GAME, AND TOGETHER WITH SOME OTHER CLUES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO HIM (LIKE JAK'S ARRIVAL IN THE FUTURE, WHICH HE MIGHT HAVE WITNESSED OR HEARD ABOUT), HE MAKES AN EDUCATED GUESS.

KNOWING THAT:
-JAK IS SOMEONE IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR SAMOS TO CONCERN HIMSELF WITH
-JAK HAS THE SAME GENERAL COLORATION AS THE HEIR OF MAR
-JAK SPENT AS MUCH TIME IN THE PAST AS SAMOS (A GUESS, BUT A REASONABLE ONE, AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE CORRECT)
-SAMOS AGED VISIBLY BUT DIDN'T DIE DURING THE TIME JAK SPENT IN THE PAST
-JAK IS PROBABLY OLDER THAN THE KID BY ABOUT AS MUCH AS OLD!SAMOS IS OLDER THAN YOUNG!SAMOS

IT'S ENTIRELY REASONABLE FOR HIM TO HAVE GUESSED WHAT HAPPENED; HE CAN'T PROVE IT YET, BUT IT'S A PLAUSIBLE GUESS. AND WHILE JAK AND DAXTER DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE KID, THEY WEREN'T EXPECTING HIM TO BE JAK! IF KOR STARTED LOOKING FOR SIMILARITIES, TRYING TO TELL WHETHER THE KID COULD HAVE GROWN UP INTO JAK, THEN HE COULD PLAUSIBLY NOTICE THE RESEMBLANCE THAT JAK AND DAXTER SIMPLY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR. AFTER HE STARTS WONDERING, THEN LITTLE MIGHT-BE-COINCIDENCE THINGS JUMP OUT AT HIM AS EVIDENCE. NOT STRONG EVIDENCE, BUT EVIDENCE. SAME EYE AND HAIR COLOR. SAME FAVORITE COLOR? THE CROCADOG LIKES NO ONE BUT THE KID AND JAK. THEIR HANDS ARE A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR SHAPE. THEY HAVE THE SAME BARELY-THERE LITTLE ALMOST-BARBS ON THE ENDS OF THEIR EARS. LITTLE BITS OF CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING, BUT... HE SUSPECTS. AND IF HE EVER OUTRIGHT ASKS JAK ABOUT HIS PAST-- WHICH HE COULD HAVE-- HE MIGHT GET PROOF DURING JAK II, BEFORE THE FINAL BOSS FIGHT BUT WELL AFTER JAK GETS OUT OF THE FORTRESS.

BUT THIS, TOO, IS JUST ONE POSSIBILITY. I LIKE YOURS, TOO, AND I THINK YOURS IS VERY PERCEPTIVE AND LOGICAL.
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[User Picture]From: keywielder
2015-10-17 09:13 pm (UTC)
THANKS! HAHAHA I'M REALLY SORRY I TOOK THIS POST SO FAR AWAY FROM YOUR ORIGINAL SPECULATIONS ON HAPLODIPLOID EUSOCIAL METAL HEADS, BUT IT WAS SO NICE GETTING A CHANCE TO DO SOME DEEP SPECULATION ON ONE OF MY FAVORITE GAME SERIES WITH SOMEONE ELSE WHO ALSO ENJOYS DOING SUCH :D SO THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME WITH SOME REALLY GOOD, WELL THOUGHT OUT DISCUSSION!
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2015-10-20 05:53 am (UTC)
IT WAS MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP YOUR IDEAS. :)
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[User Picture]From: keywielder
2015-10-15 02:44 am (UTC)
YOU'RE DEFINITELY RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF KOR HAD GONE THROUGH TO THE PAST AND LIVED THROUGH AN ENTIRE SEPARATE REALITY, ANOTHER VERSION OF KOR WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY HAD TO ARRIVE LATER IN THE PLANET'S HISTORY (I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT! LOL GOOD CATCH!). SO I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT WOULD HAVE RESOLVED ITSELF IF THAT WAS THE CASE(UNLESS HE SOMEHOW ARRIVED ON THE PLANET IN THE FAR DISTANT PAST AND THEN MADE HIS WAY TO THE FUTURE USING RIFT GATES! HE -DID- SAY HE CHASED MAR AROUND THROUGH TIME BEFORE ANY OF THIS STUFF GOT STARTED! HAHAHA I COULD PROBABLY WRANGLE A DECENT THEORY OUT OF THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY SPECULATIVE AND PROBABLY PRETTY FLIMSEY WITH HOW VERY LITTLE WE ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT THE PRECURSORS XD). IT IS FUN TO THINK ABOUT, THOUGH. :)
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[User Picture]From: akilah12902
2016-10-11 05:47 pm (UTC)
I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A HYPOTHESIS THAT HUMAN BABIES ARE ALL TECHNICALLY "PREMATURE": THAT IS TO SAY, THAT WE'RE BORN BEFORE WE'VE REALLY REACHED A GOOD STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, MOSTLY BECAUSE HUMANS HAVE A LOT OF TROUBLE GIVING BIRTH AS-IS. BUT YEAH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME, WORK, AND ENERGY HUMANS HAVE TO PUT IN TO RAISE OTHER HUMANS IS KIND OF NUTS.

OVER TO METAL HEADS! A LOT OF THE NON-KOR EGGS WE SEE ARE BEING DEFENDED BY FAIRLY TOUGH METAL HEADS LIKE THOSE FLYING ONES AT THE DRILL PLATFORM AND THE METALPEDE NEST YOU GO INTO IN JAK 3 (ACTUALLY, THIS ALL HINTS THAT NON-LEADER METAL HEADS CAN LAY EGGS, TOO). THOSE EGGS ALSO TEND TO BE NEAR TO A MAJOR SOURCE OF ECO THAT THEY ARE PURPORTEDLY UTILIZING (VIN SAYS THE ONES ON THE DRILL PLATFORM ARE SUCKING AWAY THE POWER, THE ONES AT THE STRIP MINE ARE ACTUALLY IN A POOL OF DARK ECO THAT THEY ARE PROBABLY DRAWING FROM), SO PERHAPS THE ROYAL JELLY MENTION IS PRETTY ACCURATE: MORE ECO, TOUGHER METAL HEAD?
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2016-10-12 11:01 pm (UTC)
HMM. WHY DO YOU THINK IT HINTS THAT NON-LEADER METAL HEADS CAN LAY EGGS?
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[User Picture]From: akilah12902
2016-10-13 02:05 am (UTC)
MOSTLY? KOR'S BEEN DEAD FOR A YEAR AS OF JAK 3, BUT NEW CACHES OF EGGS ARE POPPING UP. THE WAY DAMAS TALKS ABOUT THE METALPEDE NEST MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THEY MOVED IN SOMEWHAT RECENTLY, AND THERE ARE METAL HEAD EGGS IN THE FORTIFIED TOWER THING/NEW NEST IN HAVEN CITY, AND WE KNOW THE METAL HEADS TOOK OVER THE AGRICULTURAL SECTOR AFTER KOR'S DEATH.
IT MAY BE THAT THE METAL HEADS DO ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW LEADER THAT IS ALSO A METAL HEAD INSTEAD OF THE DARK MAKERS/ERROL, BUT YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD RUN INTO THEM IF THERE WAS ONE.
I CAN MAYBE SEE SOME/ALL OF THE METAL HEADS BECOMING FERTILE AFTER KOR'S DEATH, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SPECIES GOING/BREED A NEW LEADER.

I DO MAYBE FIND IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT IN ADDITION TO DIRECTING HIS ARMY AND SABATOGING HAVEN, KOR HAD ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE TRIPS TO AREAS THAT COULD STILL POTENTIALLY BE RECLAIMED BY THE BARON'S FORCES (OR JAK) TO LAY EGGS THERE. I MEAN, I CAN SEE HIM TAKING TIME TO REPLENISH HIS FORCES, BUT I FEEL LIKE HE WOULD HAVE DONE SO IN A MORE DEFENSIBLE LOCATION, TO MAKE SURE HIS TIME AND EFFORT WEREN'T WASTED BY EGGS BEING DESTROYED.
OF COURSE, I'M MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW BUSY KOR WAS AND ABOUT HOW MUCH EFFORT/ENERGY IT MIGHT HAVE TAKEN HIM, BUT KOR HONESTLY DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A PERSONALITY THAT LEADS FROM THE FRONT, SO THE IMAGE OF HIM TAKING SIDE TRIPS TO AREAS THAT COULD STILL BE DISPUTED TO LAY EGGS THAT MIGHT JUST GET DESTROYED JUST DOESN'T SEEM IN-CHARACTER TO ME.
AND THE WAY VIN TALKS ABOUT THE EGGS AT THE STRIP MINE (YOU GOT RID OF THE LIVING METAL HEADS, BUT THERE'S A CLUTCH OF EGGS THERE WAITING TO HATCH INTO A WHOLE NEW ARMY!) SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE IT'S A METAL HEAD STRATEGY-SEND IN A NUMBER OF MOOKS, HAVE THEM LAY A BUNCH OF (VERY TOUGH!) EGGS, AND EVEN IF THE ORIGINAL WAVE GETS WIPED OUT THE EGGS MIGHT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HATCH INTO A SECOND WAVE.

THIS ISN'T THE MOST SOLID EVIDENCE IN THE WORLD, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S MOSTLY JUST WHAT I ASSUMED WHILE PLAYING THROUGH THE GAMES. *SHRUG*
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2016-10-13 07:30 pm (UTC)
I'M CONVINCED BY YOUR ARGUMENTS. YOU'RE RIGHT. HMM. THIS PLUS BIOLOGICAL CASTES DETERMINED BY EGG TYPE AND EGG CARE REQUIRES FURTHER THOUGHT.
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[User Picture]From: akilah12902
2016-10-14 02:26 pm (UTC)
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DO YOU THINK THE EGGS AT THE STRIP MINE HAD FLYING METAL HEADS IN THEM (THEY WERE ON STEM-LIKE THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF A POOL OF DARK ECO), OR MAYBE A TYPE THAT CAN JUMP REALLY FAR?
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