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SOME THOUGHTS ON THE GREEN SUN THINGY. [Nov. 13th, 2014~11:42 pm]
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[chordatesrock]
HEY HEY! SO I FINALLY GOT BACK TO GAMING, AND OF COURSE THE FIRST THING I'D PLAY IN YEARS WOULD BE TPL. OF COURSE IT WOULD BE. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY I'VE HAD A LOT OF THOUGHTS ABOUT JAKVERSE WORLDBUILDING TODAY AND THOUGHT I'D SHARE SOME OBSERVATIONS.

THE DAY/NIGHT CYCLE. I GOT CURIOUS AND ON THE WAY BACK TO SANDOVER VILLAGE FROM THE JUNGLE, I HAD JAK STOP ON THE BRIDGE (LOCATION CHOSEN BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY LURKERS THERE) AND LOOK AT THE SKY. THE NORMAL SUN RISES OVER MISTY ISLAND, AS SEEN FROM SANDOVER. BUT THEN I STAYED THERE THROUGH THE IN-GAME DAY AND KEPT WATCHING FOR A WHILE, AND A COUPLE MINUTES OR SO INTO THE NIGHT PART OF THE CYCLE, THE GREEN SUN ROSE, AND I HAPPENED TO NOTICE THAT IT RISES IN THE NORTH AND SETS IN THE SOUTH. AT LEAST, IT DID THAT ONCE. I DIDN'T SEE WHETHER IT DID ANYTHING LIKE, SAY, RISE SLIGHTLY FURTHER WEST EACH SUBSEQUENT DAY AND SO COVER ALL POSSIBLE TRAJECTORIES OR ANYTHING.

"IT DOES WHAT???" IS BASICALLY MY FIRST THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. I REALLY EXPECTED IT TO FOLLOW THE REGULAR SUN. QUICK AND POSSIBLY UNNECESSARY ASTRONOMY LECTURE THINGY: OUR SOLAR SYSTEM IS BASICALLY SORT OF ON A PLANE. LIKE. YOU COULD JUST ABOUT (ALMOST) MAP OUT ALL THE PLANETS' ORBITS ON A 2D SURFACE. (NOT QUITE, BUT USUALLY YOU CAN.) AND PLANETS' ROTATIONS TEND TO BE KIND OF SIMILAR TO HOW A TOP WOULD SPIN ON A 2D SURFACE-- THE AXIS OF ROTATION IS USUALLY KIND OF CLOSE TO PERPENDICULAR TO THAT 2D SURFACE. (KIND OF CLOSE. NOT... ALL THAT CLOSE.) AND RINGS AND MOON ORBITS AND STUFF ARE SUPPOSED TO KINDASORTA MOSTLY FOLLOW THAT PLANE.

SO WHAT EVEN IS THE GREEN SUN, ANYWAY?

-IT'S WAY TOO BIG TO BE A DISTANT STAR OR A PLANET.
-THERE'S A DIFFERENT MOON, I THINK, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. AND ANYWAY, I DON'T RECALL THE GREEN SUN HAVING PHASES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BIG ENOUGH TO SEE THEM WITH THE NAKED EYE. SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT A MOON MADE OF EMERALDS OR SOMETHING.
-SO IT GIVES OFF LIGHT??????
-IT'S IN THE SAME SOLAR SYSTEM AS JAK'S PLANET. IT'S NOT ONE OF THE FIXED STARS.

SO... WHAT COULD IT BE?
-MAN-MADE OR PRECURSOR-MADE? IT COULD BE AN ABANDONED PRECURSOR SPACE STATION?
-MAYBE IT'S MADE OF GREEN ECO?
-OR... WORSE.

WHAT, YOU ASK, DO I MEAN BY WORSE? I HESITATE TO SAY THIS WHEN I ONLY WATCHED FOR PART OF ONE CYCLE, AND DIDN'T SEE THE MOON (THERE IS A MOON, RIGHT?), BUT MAYBE THE GREEN SUN IS ACTUALLY LARGE ENOUGH FOR FUSION TO OCCUR. WHICH MEANS IT'S AT THE VERY LEAST BIGGER THAN JUPITER. IT COULD BE A STAR IN A BINARY SYSTEM, MAYBE, ORBITING THE NORMAL SUN FROM FARTHER AWAY THAN JAK'S PLANET AND WITH ITS ORBIT AT A NINETY-DEGREE ANGLE TO THE PLANET'S. IS THIS POSSIBLE?

THE ANSWER IS, NOT WITH A NINETY-DEGREE ANGLE, ACTUALLY. THAT OUGHT TO MEAN THE GREEN SUN WOULD APPEAR TO ALSO MOVE EAST TO WEST. BUT IF THE GREEN SUN'S ORBIT WERE ACTUALLY NOT QUITE THAT FAR SKEWED? IF ITS ANGLE COMPENSATED FOR THE PLANET'S ROTATION TO CREATE THE ILLUSION OF A PERFECT NORTH-SOUTH PATH? ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT THE GREEN SUN'S YEAR WOULD BE VERY SHORT, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS IDEA? TO GET THE ANSWER, YOU COULD USE LOTS OF COMPLICATED PHYSICS AND SIMULATE THE PROPOSED ORBIT WITH VARIOUS MASSES...

OR YOU COULD REMEMBER THAT STARS WHOSE EMISSIONS PEAK IN THE GREEN PART OF THE VISIBLE LIGHT SPECTRUM STILL DON'T LOOK THAT COLOR. THE GREEN SUN IS LUMINOUS, BUT PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE IT'S UNDERGOING FUSION.

IF IT'S NOT UNDERGOING FUSION, IT PROBABLY ISN'T THE SIZE OF A STAR. (I GUESS IT MIGHT BE VERY LIGHT, TO AVOID HAVING ENOUGH GRAVITY FOR THAT, BUT... STARS ARE ALREADY MADE OF VERY LIGHT THINGS. IT'S NOT MADE OF SOMETHING LIGHTER THAN HYDROGEN, IS IT? CONSIDER THAT ECO ISN'T LIGHTER THAN HYDROGEN-- WE SEE GREEN ECO FLOAT ONLY A FEW INCHES OFF THE GROUND, WHEREAS IF IT WERE LIGHTER THAN HYDROGEN, IT WOULD RISE LIKE A HELIUM BALLOON. IT DOES RISE, BUT ONLY FROM VENTS WHERE WE CAN SURMISE THAT IT WAS UNDER PRESSURE AND IS SHOOTING UP LIKE WATER FROM A HOSE.) IF IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF A STAR, THEN IT'S PROBABLY MUCH CLOSER, TO APPEAR SO LARGE. SO THE ANSWER IS NO, IT'S NOT THE SECOND STAR IN A BINARY SOLAR SYSTEM.

IT'S ORBITING THE PLANET, IT'S NOT ORBITING WHERE YOU'D EXPECT IT TO, AND IT SHINES ON ITS OWN. IT'S BIGGER THAN A SPACE STATION (EXCEPT THE DEATH STAR, MAYBE); IT'S COMPARABLE TO OUR MOON. AND IT'S BEEN SHINING FOR A LONG TIME-- AT LEAST SINCE BEFORE THE FOUNDING OF HAVEN CITY, UP THROUGH THE PRESENT DAY.

I THINK MAYBE IT SHOWED UP FROM ANOTHER SOLAR SYSTEM SOMEWHERE AND WAS CAPTURED BY THE PLANET'S GRAVITY. I THINK IT MIGHT BE MADE OF GREEN ECO.

JAK'S PLANET HAS A MOON MADE OF GREEN ECO THAT ORBITS NORTH-SOUTH BECAUSE IT TRAVELED THROUGH SPACE FOR UNTOLD EONS BEFORE FINDING A NEW HOME.

THIS IS AWESOME AND YOU KNOW IT.
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[User Picture]From: skiota
2014-11-15 02:24 pm (UTC)
WOAH THAT IS REALLY COMPLEX, DID SOMEBODY TAKE ASTRONOMY?? =P

BASED ON YOUR THEORY I WOULD AGREE THAT IT IS POSSIBLY GREEN ECO. IT COULD ALSO BE A SPACE STATION FOR THE PRECURSORS? IT HAS ITS OWN ORBIT, AND THE ORBIT ISNT ERRATIC.

I DOUBT NAUGHTY DOG WOULD ADD ROTATION ANGLES TO SUGGEST PLANET ROTATION.

GLAD YOU GOT BACK INTO GAMING! I HAVE BEEN SHOWING MY GIRLFRIEND TPL AND NEXT IS JAK 2! SHE WILL EXPERIENCE THE CRAZE!!!!
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2014-11-19 05:41 am (UTC)
WHY WOULD THEIR SPACE STATION GLOW, I WONDER? WHAT DID THEY POWER IT WITH THAT'S SO LONG-LASTING? AND WHY DID THEY NEVER TURN IT OFF WHEN THEY LEFT?
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[User Picture]From: akilah12902
2016-10-08 05:51 pm (UTC)
WELL THE DAYSTAR GLOWS, AND ALL OF THE OTHER PRECURSOR STUFF IS MOSTLY STILL OPERATING, SO MAYBE THEY REALLY JUST DIDN'T TURN OFF THE LIGHTS? AS FOR WHY IT'S STILL WORKING... ALL THEIR OTHER STUFF STILL IS? SO PROBABLY ECO, GIVEN THAT SEEMS TO BE HOW THEY POWER MOST/ALL OF THEIR STUFF?
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[User Picture]From: chordatesrock
2016-10-08 08:36 pm (UTC)
THIS IS NO LESS REASONABLE THAN ANY OTHER EXPLANATION. OKAY!
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